<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8454839645318770661</id><updated>2012-02-16T07:59:34.258-07:00</updated><category term='Elections and Demons'/><title type='text'>Jesus for grown-ups</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Jesus for Grown-ups</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409880266822703846</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_plyi7ikXcz8/R17HGfZM7XI/AAAAAAAAAAU/PRZZtJCJbbc/S220/Fr.+David+%26+Deacon+Steve+002+(2).jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>12</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8454839645318770661.post-2610666476909766260</id><published>2009-08-11T10:35:00.002-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-11T10:44:10.212-07:00</updated><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>I find myself getting very hot under the collar over the healthcare reform debate in the US of A. What really gets to me is how misrepresented the Canadian and UK health systems are by those opposed to reform of the US system which includes a government sponsored element. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have lived under both the UK and the US systems. In the US system I have had three different kinds of insurance and all have been at the higher level of coverage. Many of the comments I have heard show a lack of familiarity with the UK system. For example, there is a private healthcare system in the UK and you can buy into that just as you buy into the US system. In the UK doctors are contracted by the Health authority into the public system for as many hours as they chose and they can run a private system alongside that. If you are fortunate enough to be able to afford private care you can elect to do that in addition to what is provided under the National Health Service (NHS). UK healthcare is also free at the point of need. You are not required to make any payment at the time of treatment. Free, of course, is relative just like the lunch! Everyone pays a regular contribution to healthcare from their pay packets. Some additional charges for food, etc have been added in recent years. (The argument goes that if you were home you would be eating, etc anyway).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It’s a complicated and complex task to overhaul such a huge system. It takes real courage and commitment to those who cannot enter the system by the normal method (i.e. buy your way in!). There are clearly lots of interests that have a stake both in reform and the status quo. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What interests me is twofold. The first is the quite deliberate publication of mis-information, notable by senior senators and congress persons. They are, of course, politicians and so why would I not expect them to act as such! The answer is because I believe firmly in politics, by which I mean the way in which we live together and govern ourselves. What I am fearful of is party politics. I know only too well what happens to me when I find myself passionate about an issue and its outcome! What I see from party politics is what I most dislike in me. I want to rise about that and I want those who claim to govern on my behalf to do the same.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The issue of healthcare provision is far too important to leave to a party political debate because in the end the party politicians will win and those who need most to be aided by the society of which they are part simple slide further down the ladder.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have noted watching and listening to so called “town hall debates” the fury and anger on the faces of many speakers from the floor. Many of them appear old enough to be Medicare recipients who will be least affected by the reforms. I sense that this misinformation around advanced directives is so violent just because that is the case. If you don’t review your advanced directive every 5 years with your doctor I believe that is irresponsible. If you don’t have an up to date directive and are kept alive in a vegetative state, or dispatched before your time, whose fault is that? Talk os euthanasia is party politicking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I sense is a great deal of fear around but I don’t understand where it comes from. I am aware that mush of our debating over such issues descends to fear when we can no longer engage in sensible debate.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8454839645318770661-2610666476909766260?l=jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/feeds/2610666476909766260/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8454839645318770661&amp;postID=2610666476909766260' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/2610666476909766260'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/2610666476909766260'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/2009/08/i-find-myself-getting-very-hot-under.html' title=''/><author><name>Jesus for Grown-ups</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409880266822703846</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_plyi7ikXcz8/R17HGfZM7XI/AAAAAAAAAAU/PRZZtJCJbbc/S220/Fr.+David+%26+Deacon+Steve+002+(2).jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8454839645318770661.post-1475016862432554286</id><published>2009-07-28T20:15:00.002-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-28T20:20:20.637-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Absence</title><content type='html'>To those of you who followed my blogs for a while - thank you. I hope they gave you some food for thought and perhaps expanded your thinking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My memory failed me and I could not recall my user name - serious issue here - I tried all kinds of things. In a flash of inspiration I tried something else and bingo I am back again. Of course now I have to remember how it all works and then get my thoughts together.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I f you have been reading, thank you. I will be back soon.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8454839645318770661-1475016862432554286?l=jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/feeds/1475016862432554286/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8454839645318770661&amp;postID=1475016862432554286' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/1475016862432554286'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/1475016862432554286'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/2009/07/absence.html' title='Absence'/><author><name>Jesus for Grown-ups</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409880266822703846</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_plyi7ikXcz8/R17HGfZM7XI/AAAAAAAAAAU/PRZZtJCJbbc/S220/Fr.+David+%26+Deacon+Steve+002+(2).jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8454839645318770661.post-4121313174362153536</id><published>2008-12-03T10:13:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2008-12-03T10:13:56.196-07:00</updated><title type='text'>My dog and prayer</title><content type='html'>I was reflecting recently on my 102 year old mother’s move to an assisted living facility. Until a short stay in hospital for a couple of months recently, she lived independently, though relying heavily on my sister, who lives nearby, for the last year or so. I was wondering what those now charged with her care might know of her earlier life. One of the things which popped into my mind was how, almost as early as I can remember, she taught me to pray.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That was prayer for a child, but it began a journey for me. I have tried a large number of different ways to pray, often called techniques. At different times, different ways were more or less satisfying - mostly less.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are content with how you pray and live within the paradigm of a God to whom you address yourself in thanksgiving or intercession, you probably shouldn’t read any further. I have no wish to turn anyone from what ‘works’ for them. . I do want to suggest that there are other ways to address the process we call prayer. A significant number of people have shared with me their discomfort with what they perceive is required of them in prayer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The search for meaning, for a way to make sense of our lives, for a way to find a context in which, who we think, or feel, ourselves to be seems to be a universal search. Atheists and non-believers, if I read their writings aright, have a need for context too. I find it hard to imagine that anyone, other than those with significant psychological disturbance, can live without context and a belief system. We believe certain things about ourselves and our world and our relationship to that world, whether we set that in a religious context, or not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I find myself no longer living with a paradigm of a God, distinct from the world, but who either chooses, or who can be persuaded by me, to take an active role in fulfilling my wants and needs. I don’t have a sense that that God might, if only I pray hard enough and long enough and with greater refining of my need, intervene on my behalf in some way. Nor can I pray to that God to alleviate hunger in the world, as if he were a heavenly farmer, or bring peace to the world, as if he were a super-negotiator, or cure my dog of his diabetes however much I might want that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact my dog provides me with a good example of what I mean. Our West Highland White terrier is now 14 years old. He has been a wonderful dog and we have vested in him a great deal of affection. He is now diabetic, blind and hard of hearing. We dread the day when either he dies naturally, or we make the decision that, because he is in unnecessary and uncontrollable pain or distress, we should bring his life to a close. I cannot and would not pray for his recovery, no matter how painful his loss will be to us. I would like to think that there is a miracle out there, but I do not live as if there was.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do pray about him and here is how it goes. In my times set aside for this activity, which could be called prayer, or reflection, or meditation, he will come to my mind. I will reflect on who he is and his present condition, the treatment we give to, or withhold from him. I will think about my wants for him and how they might intersect with his needs. I will recognize the responsibility we have undertaken for him. I will try to assess how my wants and his needs can be balanced – and I will remember that he is part of that holy thing we call creation. It is holy, because it is unique to us. He is holy because he is unique to us and a gift which we have received from that creation. From within this time of ‘prayer,’ I find myself renewed in my sense of responsibility for him and actively to give him the best care I can.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I apply that to ‘prayer’ for peace in our world. I do not expect what we call God to resolve that issue for me. Conflict comes from within me. I believe that there is evil, but I do not believe that it has existence outside sentient beings. Evil things happen and they have a human cause. (Consequent on this I do not believe in ‘the devil’ as an entity outside humanity. It is a metaphor for that evil within us which we really can’t, or won’t, own). So if I pray for peace, I know that it can only be achieved by my actions and those of others. If I want peace in the world I have to actively work for it in me, the communities to which I belong and the world of which I am a part. For me, that means working for that which precedes peace, justice. I do not believe that we can ever find peace until we have first created just dealing one with another.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The same would apply to other issues like hunger and sickness. If I am to ‘pray’ for those who are hungry, I must be active on their behalf, not just providing food, but working to end those practices, like unfair trading, which create the problem to begin with. I cannot pray for a God to feed them. These are issues of justice. For the sick, I may hold them in my heart and then visit with them, or provide support for them and those who take the responsibility for their care. I cannot pray for some miraculous cure, even though I may wish it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don’t know where I first heard or read a saying which goes something like, ‘Prayer changes me, not the things for which I pray.’&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8454839645318770661-4121313174362153536?l=jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/feeds/4121313174362153536/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8454839645318770661&amp;postID=4121313174362153536' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/4121313174362153536'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/4121313174362153536'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/2008/12/my-dog-and-prayer.html' title='My dog and prayer'/><author><name>Jesus for Grown-ups</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409880266822703846</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_plyi7ikXcz8/R17HGfZM7XI/AAAAAAAAAAU/PRZZtJCJbbc/S220/Fr.+David+%26+Deacon+Steve+002+(2).jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8454839645318770661.post-2179191397971527557</id><published>2008-11-26T15:17:00.003-07:00</published><updated>2008-12-03T10:18:12.517-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Elections and Demons'/><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>I have often reflected on the history of demons. It seems we can’t do without them. I suspect that it's because we need to find somewhere to place our more difficult feelings about our sense of our own ‘badness’. We mostly recognize that we are not perfect and we have to find somewhere to externalize those difficult feelings. If we are honest, we may find that some of the less positive feelings we have toward others are too difficult to manage internally.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I look back on just the last century, we have had a whole series of demons that we have either created, or who have presented themselves to us for further enhancement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps the most obvious demon from that period was Adolph Hitler. I wonder if, in him, all the worst feelings we have toward those different from us became focused and so safer for us. Safe, because by externalizing them into him, we did not have to recognize them in ourselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps that’s an extreme example for some, but there is a whole other long list. Currently the demon of South America is to be found in Venezuela. In the Middle East there is a fair choice from the faith of Islam to the leaders of Iran, to Hamas, to Al Qeida and, we can go back through the century to North Vietnam, North Korea, Russia, Cuba, China. You may have noticed that I have not mentioned names. I am sure you can do that for yourself. In how many of those places I have named have we found a really bad guy on whom to focus our fears, as well as that which we cannot resolve within us?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why did this all surface for me again now?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was that election we had recently in the USA. In the State of California a proposition on the ballot there outlawed gay marriage within the State. It came as a great surprise to me, as I had been led to believe that California was a ‘liberal’ State. How could this happen? I discovered that, in the analysis of the voting, the strong support of the black vote against the proposition is what made the difference. This is not any comment about one race being superior or inferior to another. It strikes me that here is a formerly, though some would say still, oppressed minority voting to oppress another.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It has been ever the case in history.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems we have a long way to go still in affirming the value of each other which is at the heart of the message of Jesus.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8454839645318770661-2179191397971527557?l=jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/feeds/2179191397971527557/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8454839645318770661&amp;postID=2179191397971527557' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/2179191397971527557'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/2179191397971527557'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/2008/11/i-have-often-reflected-on-history-of.html' title=''/><author><name>Jesus for Grown-ups</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409880266822703846</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_plyi7ikXcz8/R17HGfZM7XI/AAAAAAAAAAU/PRZZtJCJbbc/S220/Fr.+David+%26+Deacon+Steve+002+(2).jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8454839645318770661.post-3617677533444558555</id><published>2008-04-03T13:07:00.002-07:00</published><updated>2008-04-03T13:22:51.731-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Resurrection?</title><content type='html'>Many years ago I read two books which described very similar events experienced by two different people. The first person was Brian Keenan and the second John McCarthy. Brian was a writer from Northern Ireland who was teaching at the American University in Beirut. John was a British journalist working in Lebanon for CNN. In April 1986 they were both kidnapped by extremists of Islamic Jihad and held captive until 1990 and 1991 respectively. They describe their experiences in separate books.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They were held under the most appalling circumstances and were regularly ill treated and tortured. For much of their captivity they were held in solitary confinement below ground often blindfolded in cells hardly bigger than their height and width. They were transported from place to place often strapped to the underside of vans and trucks. Both describe their experiences in terms of feeling buried alive and being entombed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brian currently teaches in Ireland and John is still a journalist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have wondered from time to time how I would deal with that kind of captivity. Assuming I survived the initial panic and fear of possible immanent death; that I did not go completely gaga from sensory deprivation; that I did not lose hope as the days dragged on into months and the months into years; would the scar tissue of such a time leave me in chronic pain for the remainder of my life?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Would anyone know, would anyone care, would anyone remember me? Would I have been worth remembering? Perhaps I don’t want to take the risk of finding out. Perhaps I would be more comfortable remaining hidden, slide back into my tomb and roll the stone  -  shut!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank God Jesus didn’t take the route to safety and death! Don’t get me wrong, he died but we claim that he is risen! How to explain that? Many folk understand these stories to be historical whilst others have difficulty with that and see them as metaphors pointing to truth. However you resolve that, the question is, What do the stories mean?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus was born in a colony of the Roman Empire. He belonged to a class of people who were economically exploited, political oppressed, socially fragmented and ritually unclean within their faith. All conditions were maintain by the use of force and violence. Into this maelstrom came Jesus preaching a new kingdom, a new Empire. On what we call Palm Sunday, Jesus is portrayed riding into Jerusalem from the east on a donkey, while Pilate rode in from the west with a banner flying armored cohort of foot soldiers and cavalry. (After Dom Crossan in &lt;em&gt;The Last Week). &lt;/em&gt;It was an acted parable by Jesus challenging the dominating power of Empire and the complicity of the religious establishment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When we say in our recitation of the Lord’s Prayer, whatever translation we use, “your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as in heaven,” we are making a political, as well as a religious, statement. Jesus was making a statement about religious inclusion, political power sharing and economic equity. He had to go! The Jesus kingdom would mean the end of the Roman, Greek, Islamic, British, American Empires. Those worlds of domination would be at an end. He had to go! No human empire can tolerate political rebels. Execution was the punishment that fitted the crime. So it was, so it happened and by that very act control and dominance was restored. But no, the genie is out of the bottle! Or rather the prophet, the Son, the Savior, is out of the tomb.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For centuries, and you have been hearing it in the lectionary readings this year, the people of the Hebrews struggled for independence from one oppressor or another. Greeks, Romans, Persians, Assyrians, Egyptians ruled over them one after the other. Where was justice? When would their God punish the evil oppressors? One day! One day!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So Jesus was not plowing fallow land. There was an ever present hope of deliverance and the deliverer would be the incarnation of compassion and justice, which almost feel like strange bedfellows.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In one of the Eucharistic Prayers we say, “Christ has died. Christ is risen. Christ will come again.” Notice not Christ has risen, as if it were some distant event in the past. Christ is risen. Jesus died as an historic event, Christ is risen as a present reality and will continue to be so, is what we are affirming. We say it as a present reality with future consequences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But how? How is the Christ to be risen now? How is that justice and compassion to be seen in the Christ risen? In the Communion service we come to the altar to receive bread and wine. It is the bread of justice. It is the wine of compassion. We say, “You are what you eat.” If that is so, then YOU are the Christ. That’s how the Christ is risen! In the bread of justice in your life. In the wine of compassion in your living. You are the bread, you are the wine. Is that justice and compassion entombed in you, or will you let the stone be rolled away that your life may burst forth with the risen life of the Christ – become bread and wine –for the world.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8454839645318770661-3617677533444558555?l=jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/feeds/3617677533444558555/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8454839645318770661&amp;postID=3617677533444558555' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/3617677533444558555'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/3617677533444558555'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/2008/04/resurrection.html' title='Resurrection?'/><author><name>Jesus for Grown-ups</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409880266822703846</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_plyi7ikXcz8/R17HGfZM7XI/AAAAAAAAAAU/PRZZtJCJbbc/S220/Fr.+David+%26+Deacon+Steve+002+(2).jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8454839645318770661.post-1134549069146953764</id><published>2008-03-11T13:13:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-03-11T13:14:16.541-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Quote</title><content type='html'>A friend sent me this quote which appealed. I am afraid I don't know who the author is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“When sinful, broken, hurting people are pleasantly surprised at how accepting we are and religious people are outraged at how accepting we are, there is a good chance that we are starting to live like Jesus.”&lt;br /&gt;                                                Bruxy Cavey&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8454839645318770661-1134549069146953764?l=jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/feeds/1134549069146953764/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8454839645318770661&amp;postID=1134549069146953764' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/1134549069146953764'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/1134549069146953764'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/2008/03/quote.html' title='Quote'/><author><name>Jesus for Grown-ups</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409880266822703846</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_plyi7ikXcz8/R17HGfZM7XI/AAAAAAAAAAU/PRZZtJCJbbc/S220/Fr.+David+%26+Deacon+Steve+002+(2).jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8454839645318770661.post-465686507329038198</id><published>2008-03-11T12:56:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2008-03-11T12:59:32.579-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Brain Sex</title><content type='html'>I hesitated to add to the debate about sexual orientation. It didn’t last long. Two recent things lead me to express some feeling about it. The first is a recent personal experience and the second news of the invitations to the Lambeth Conference of Anglican Bishops.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I need to go back a bit. It had never occurred to me that being homosexual was a ‘bad’ thing. I can recall that, even as a teen, I knew the difference between ‘hetro’ and ‘homo’ as well as between pedophilia and homosexuality. The school yard jokes were as ripe about that as the other sexual jokes of my teen years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My theological training came through a religious community. During those years I experienced students and brethren developing and sustaining homosexual relationships. Although not part of my orientation, it seemed neither a ‘bad’ thing, nor an aberration. In a scientific sense it was ‘deviant’, but that had no moral overtones for me. It just meant that most folk I knew were 'hetro'! There was no moral judgment involved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Later, as a priest involved in counseling in the UK, a number of opportunities came about to begin to understand the issues faced by men who were beginning to be able to explore more openly their orientation as homosexual men. It was very new to me this close up to their struggles. I do not remember who first suggested I read a particular book to help in my education, but I will ever be thankful to them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The book was Brain Sex by Anne Moir Ph.D., and David Jessel. Anne was a PhD in genetics. Both had worked for the BBC. The book is still available at Amazon. I checked!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The purpose of the book was to explore what was then known in science about the development of sexual orientation as a function of the brain. The issue is complex and does not allow of brief treatment in a blog. It is a complex process involving chromosomal genetic inheritance and hormones or androgens, the main one being testosterone. One of the most interesting discoveries is that the embryo is genetically of female structure until the radical intervention of male testosterone brings about a male pattern. This is literally a mind altering process.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So any talk about homosexuality being “a lifestyle choice” is simply nonsense. It is as much nonsense as me ‘choosing’ to be heterosexual. I recognize that some folk do have issues about the physical expression of homosexual passion. I also recognize that, where so called “family values” are at their most tenuous, the clamor gets ever louder. Any lifestyle that needs defending at the expense of another is not worth defending in the first place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have recently been involved with a community in which prejudice against a person of homosexual orientation led to being locked out of a building. It was probably the most outrageous behavior I have come across in many years. In the process of trying to help those folk understand the issues, I was challenged with an appeal to Scriptural condemnation. In response I regurgitated research I had done some years ago demonstrating that in fact Scripture has nothing whatever to say on the subject, unless you chose deliberately to translate some passages using sexually loaded, but inaccurate, translation. (Anyone who wants to read that just needs to leave me a message with an e-mail address. All communications come to me before being published, so I can protect your privacy if you wish).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second issue that got me riled up was reading today that Gene Robinson, Bishop of New Hampshire, was not to receive a “full invitation” to attend the Lambeth Conference of all Anglican Bishops. The reason that he is not to receive such an invitation is that he is an openly gay man in a long term relationship. Some other Bishops have indicated that if he were to receive such an invitation they would absent themselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The behavior of the Archbishop and the dissenting Bishops is as outrageous as that of the community I refer to above. Such prejudice is unacceptable in a community that claims to be following the teachings of Jesus.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8454839645318770661-465686507329038198?l=jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/feeds/465686507329038198/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8454839645318770661&amp;postID=465686507329038198' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/465686507329038198'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/465686507329038198'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/2008/03/brain-sex.html' title='Brain Sex'/><author><name>Jesus for Grown-ups</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409880266822703846</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_plyi7ikXcz8/R17HGfZM7XI/AAAAAAAAAAU/PRZZtJCJbbc/S220/Fr.+David+%26+Deacon+Steve+002+(2).jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8454839645318770661.post-7113538553028102723</id><published>2008-01-09T10:36:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-01-09T10:39:52.451-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Science and Religion</title><content type='html'>I believe a fraud is being attempted.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have followed the debate about religion and science for many years.  Some 5 years ago I was instrumental in setting up a 26 week study course entitled, “Science and Religion”. It was moderated by an ordained scientist. More recently I have been a signatory to an open letter, instigated by Michael Zimmerman at Butler.edu. The letter exceeded the target of 10,000 signatures from clergy affirming that science and religion can and do exist comfortably alongside each other. 537 scientists in 28 countries act as consultants.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ever since Darwin’s “origin of Species” was published both ‘popular’ science and ‘popular’ theology have used it to further their own prejudices. Of course, they would not use the term, ‘prejudice’.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Both science and religion seek to try to interpret the ‘data’ which they have before them. In the case of science, as I understand it, the data is gleaned from that which can be observed, from the cosmos to the soil. On the basis of that&lt;br /&gt;observable data, a theory is advanced that seeks to explain the data. It does not impart meaning to the data. So when Darwin, or Einstein, for example, advanced their explanations, they were advancing theories which best fitted the data before them. Einstein was a very good example of how the process works. In one particular instance, Einstein advanced a theory based on his observations. Later in his life he revised the theory. Subsequent science suggests that he might well have been right in the first place. That is the nature of scientific endeavor. First collect the data, then observe it with great care, then put together the best explanation you have for the material. Then test it and retest it. Science, therefore, is theory under continual examination. No scientist I have ever met would object to having his theory tested and retested, for the scientist knows that that is how science is advanced, rather than fossilized. Equally, as new evidence comes to light, good science will test that against what is already known.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The theory of evolution is agreed by the vast majority of scientists worldwide to be the best explanation of the data we have before us, gleaned from observable data, from the soil to the cosmos. As theory it is constantly to be tested against new data.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fraud that I believe is being perpetrated is in seeking to set science and religion as opposing explanations of the same phenomena. The decision of the school board in Kansas is a good example of that. The decision of the school board in Dover, Pa is the exact opposite. Currently boards in Texas and Florida are under pressure to include ‘intelligent design’ as an alternative explanation to evolution. To advance a particular interpretation of Christian scripture as if it were scientific theory is clearly fraudulent. Worse still, from my point of view, it does violence to both the nature of the scripture and science.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hold scripture in the highest regard as the search of people, through many centuries, to enter into that dimension of life we call sacred, or holy. It is a sanctity which I understand is shared by all life, even by those with whom I disagree mostly strongly and whose world view conflicts with mine! Scripture is a way of seeing the world and a way of seeking to give it meaning. It is also a developing tradition. In the Hebrew Scriptures the idea of God, the holy, the sacred, is not static. The God of Judaism did not come shrink wrapped. God was one among many throughout the earlier books of the bible and in the Psalms. The idea of one God was developmental. I am part of that tradition and it is part of me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That way of seeing and interpreting the world in no way conflicts with science. The goal of science is not to give something meaning, but rather to seek to interpret the phenomena which it observes. The argument of ‘intelligent design,’ (creationism in another cloak), that because the cosmos is so complex it must have an intelligence behind it, is an opinion, or even an article of faith. It is not an observable fact. It cannot be argued as scientific theory. It may be your way of seeing the world and I would defend your right to see it so. I would challenge your right to force me to see it the same way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Complexity, variety, multiplicity, intricacy and even impenetrability speak powerfully to me of the divine, the holy and the sacred. The simple, one-dimensional God whom I can fully explain is no God at all. Equally the God which cannot stand up to rigorous examination is no God. The God who needs to be taught in schools, emblazoned in stone in a courthouse like some idol, is no God at all. That which is holy and sacred does not legislate, or bomb, or terrorize, or threaten, or exclude its way into our hearts and thus into our communities. God, the Sacred, the Holy is the Life within all life, not just some mythical creator who set it all in motion and then retired, taking just an occasional interest when the mood takes that god.. God for me is to be found deep within the heart of creation, cosmic and micro-cosmic. Deep within my heart and deep within your heart.&lt;br /&gt; More info is available by typing ‘The Clergy Letter Project’ into your search engine&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8454839645318770661-7113538553028102723?l=jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/feeds/7113538553028102723/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8454839645318770661&amp;postID=7113538553028102723' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/7113538553028102723'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/7113538553028102723'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/2008/01/science-and-religion.html' title='Science and Religion'/><author><name>Jesus for Grown-ups</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409880266822703846</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_plyi7ikXcz8/R17HGfZM7XI/AAAAAAAAAAU/PRZZtJCJbbc/S220/Fr.+David+%26+Deacon+Steve+002+(2).jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8454839645318770661.post-7219740148328043351</id><published>2007-12-29T09:31:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-12-29T09:36:17.369-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Peace on earth?</title><content type='html'>The Christian Church began life as a group of Jewish believers who began to follow the teaching of Jesus. Until the Jewish revolt again the Roman occupation, it seems that these early followers remained within Judaism and attended synagogue, as the Acts of the Apostles suggests (Acts 2.46). The revolt was one of a number over many years attempting to throw off Roman rule. The Maccabean revolt, (c.140-40BCE), was the most successful giving the Jewish people around a hundred years to rule themselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the revolt of 70 CE, the Christian group within Judaism refused to join the rebellion against Rome. For the failure of the revolt the followers of Jesus were blamed. The argument was that their following of the teachings of Jesus, against such things as Sabbath observance and food and cleanliness laws rendered them unclean and as such led to Yahweh’s anger toward the people. So they were ostracized from synagogue and temple.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since that time the history of the Church is littered with a sad history of support for and in some cases the prosecution of war as a solution to international disagreements. The history of the churches support for war is a scandal. From Constantine to the Crusades, the wars of the Reformation, the thirty years war in Europe and countless local wars the Church has given either open, or tacit, support to them. The Christian Church has been as guilty of prosecuting holy war as any other religious group. Internally it warred against its own in the Inquisition. It has supported Apartheid, genocide, and slavery. Its record on human rights is appalling. That is not to say that individuals and groups have not stood out against such evil, but they have been essentially protest movements against the mainstream of the Church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mohandas K. (Mahatma) Ghandi is famed for his aphorisms, one of which says, “an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.” Our human history is littered with examples of one group seeking to put out the eyes of another. Jesus’ response to an eye for an eye was to suggest giving the coat off your back to the one you perceive as your enemy, or turning the other cheek. The latter having the effect of drawing the teeth of the anger against you!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is the task of followers of Jesus to stand firm against war in all its forms. Christians talk at this time of the year about God being incarnate in Jesus, the word becoming flesh, and sing about Emmanuel, that is, ‘God with’, or, ‘within us’. It seems that we must mean it is within us but not the other girl, or guy, otherwise how could we contemplate killing him, or her? We pray religiously (sarcasm intended) for peace on earth, but we want it at the least possible cost. We seem to want it just to arrive and, if not, then we seem to think that the only way to get it is by violence. The history of humankind gives the lie to that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;War, who ever ‘wins’, is a defeat for humankind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As Chair of the Peace and Reconciliation Commission of South Africa Desmond Tutu was asked what it meant to forgive. His answer was that we abandon the right that someone else gives us by the violence they do to us to retribution, or revenge and in so doing open the door to them, and so to us, for a new beginning.&lt;br /&gt;“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall — think of it, always." M.K.Ghandi&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8454839645318770661-7219740148328043351?l=jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/feeds/7219740148328043351/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8454839645318770661&amp;postID=7219740148328043351' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/7219740148328043351'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/7219740148328043351'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/2007/12/peace-on-earth.html' title='Peace on earth?'/><author><name>Jesus for Grown-ups</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409880266822703846</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_plyi7ikXcz8/R17HGfZM7XI/AAAAAAAAAAU/PRZZtJCJbbc/S220/Fr.+David+%26+Deacon+Steve+002+(2).jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8454839645318770661.post-5407458601634877703</id><published>2007-12-17T12:14:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-12-17T12:17:07.383-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Baby Jesus</title><content type='html'>Unless you view the birth stories of Jesus in the gospels of Matthew and Luke literally, Christmas can be a theological minefield. It seems the ‘magic of Christmas” has to be preserved. Santas, and snow, log fires, gifts and crèche scenes seem to encapsulate those feelings of ‘magic’. They appear tied up with folks feelings of hope for things like peace in the world, freedom from anxiety, and harmony in their relationships and within them. I think that is also true of the ‘popular’ Christian story!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Christmas Story which we know is a creation of the different stories contained in Matthew and Luke. Parts have been taken from both and fitted together into a whole. It is, however, full of inconsistencies as an attempt at a cohesive, or historical, or convincing story of what happened. As a factual account, it doesn’t work, even though it makes a good story.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It turns out that it is the story that matters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The stories are not fact, though you can read them literally if you wish, and the events did not happen in history, other than the birth of a child. So what’s going on? Are Matthew and Luke charlatans, seeking to tell a tale as if it were fact?  If that is not the case, then something else is going on here. The question is, “What is going on?”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Examining the stories in detail, every element can be traced back from the Christian story to Judaic origins. Stars and shepherds, and sages, a virgin, (or more correctly young woman), oxen, lambs, flights into Egypt and even Bethlehem as the birth-place of Jesus, all have antecedents in Hebrew Scripture. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It turns out that it’s the connection that counts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To understand what’s going on we need to think ourselves into the time after year 70 of the Common Era. Between then and about 100 the gospels of Matthew and Luke were being constructed. Their purpose was to recommend the person and teachings of the man, the prophet, the teacher, the healer, Jesus bar Joseph of Nazareth. This is the man for whom some dropped everything they were doing to follow. This is the man in whose presence people found their broken lives and bodies transformed. Having met Jesus they were not the same people any more. Some would describe it like being in the presence of God, certainly in the presence of holiness, which for some meant wholeness. Here was a teacher who showed how it was possible to live in a way that was not about dominance and competition for scarce resources, but about compassion in lives of abundance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How do you tell that story? A biography was certainly possible. It would not solve the problem of factuality. Biographies are still interpretative of a life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What we have is perhaps like a painting. It’s an interpretative portrait at one level. That too is a problem. Almost certainly, to begin with, the Jesus story was told, not written. What was told was an experience and, of themselves, experiences are difficult to put into words. Experiences are about what we sense, and feel, about someone, or something. When we try to describe those, we can come up with some pretty wild language. Think about how you might describe a life-changing experience. What language, or image, might you chose?  The contemporary followers of Jesus are trying to tell us that in some way, some how in Jesus they had experienced the presence of God in a way that defied language.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How could it happen and how can you explain to some one how, to put it crudely, God got into Jesus in this way? The gospel writer, Matthew, resolves the issue of how the divine, the holy could be experienced in the life of Jesus, by a story about an angel declaring that Jesus had his origins in the Godhead, he used specific language that Jesus was the son of God, (what that term meant I’ll deal with in another blog). The gospel of Mark, not having any birth stories, puts it in the context of a divine announcement of Jesus’ identity at the moment of his baptism as an adult, in the River Jordan. Luke’s gospel embellishes Matthew’s story of the nativity and has Jesus identity announced to his father, Joseph, in a dream. The gospel of John, in that reading from his first chapter so often used at Christmas, says that there never was a time when Jesus was not part of God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As they tell the story two things happen. The first is that they understand Jesus in the context of the Judaism from which both he and they come. So before anyone invented what we now commonly call the New Testament, the Jesus story, still within Judaism, was still part of what has been called&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn1" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=8454839645318770661#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1"&gt;[1]&lt;/a&gt; ‘salvation history’, that is still part of the epic story of how Judaism understood itself in relationship to it’s god and it’s world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I read that continuing story, I know that in stories of stars, shepherds and stables, sages and virgin births, I have entered the realm of mythology. I do not mean to suggest that, therefore, what we are dealing with is untrue. I mean that it is not fact. I mean that it is true in a way that fact obscures and limits. I am told that certain Native American story tellers begin telling their tribal stories to young people by saying something akin to, “I don’t know if this happened, but I know it’s true.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, in the same way, the birth stories of Jesus are not fact, but they are true. Their truth lies, not in whether or not they happened, but in how the writers understood the holiness they called God, Yahweh, Elohim, El, Jehovah, and Adonai, challenged the way in which they lived together. It’s a story about how we are able to change the normal ways of dominance, and competition, and religious, political and social control and oppression.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It begins with an unlikely story of a defenseless child, born to a peasant family in an oppressed community, who grows up to offer ways to change the way the world can be.&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn1" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=8454839645318770661#_ftnref1" name="_ftn1"&gt;[1]&lt;/a&gt; Rudolf Bultmann, (1884-      ) I believe, originated the concept in Offenbarung und Heilegeschehen (1941)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8454839645318770661-5407458601634877703?l=jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/feeds/5407458601634877703/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8454839645318770661&amp;postID=5407458601634877703' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/5407458601634877703'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/5407458601634877703'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/2007/12/baby-jesus.html' title='Baby Jesus'/><author><name>Jesus for Grown-ups</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409880266822703846</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_plyi7ikXcz8/R17HGfZM7XI/AAAAAAAAAAU/PRZZtJCJbbc/S220/Fr.+David+%26+Deacon+Steve+002+(2).jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8454839645318770661.post-8051642458241879212</id><published>2007-12-11T09:08:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-12-11T15:29:51.761-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Why this blog at all?</title><content type='html'>I have been thinking theology, that is thinking about the nature and meaning of things, since I can remember. Where I now find myself is the result of the journey from then to now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I understand to be the current Christian paradigm, (that is the Christian way of seeing the world and the nature and meaning of things), seems to have been the mainstream paradigm for most of my journey and no longer accords with how I now understand the world and the nature and meaning of things. So it no longer meets my needs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am in a place where what Marcus Borg called the ‘emerging paradigm’ allows me to continue to explore the nature of who I am in relation to the world and that which lies beyond my current experience, or understanding.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My intent is to invite you into a dialogue about that ‘emerging paradigm’. It will mean for me taking some risks in thinking, the “What ifs” of open thinking. I have to say I am not really interested in engaging in an argument about who might be right, or wrong. Orthodoxy, in the sense of right belief, is not an interest of mine. To change the image, achieving orthodoxy would be like arriving at a terminus from which I could no longer continue an exciting journey which remains to be completed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A wise Philosopher - was it Socrates or Plato? – said something along the lines that, rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of a wise man. For me, things like 10 commandments and 39 articles, denominational covenants, confessions, or statements fall into that category. Current arguments within churches about right belief seem to me to be sterile in their attempts to set boundaries about who can be counted a ‘believer’, ‘member’, in or out. They feel to me to be essentially about control when used as tests of orthodoxy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus, as I understand his teaching, was concerned with relationships, most especially ours with each other and the divine, the holy, God, to express that which lies beyond either our experience, or control.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If this is your journey I would be delighted and honored if you wish to travel with me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Simply respond with your comment. All I ask is that you identify yourself.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8454839645318770661-8051642458241879212?l=jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/feeds/8051642458241879212/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8454839645318770661&amp;postID=8051642458241879212' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/8051642458241879212'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/8051642458241879212'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/2007/12/why-this-blog-at-all.html' title='Why this blog at all?'/><author><name>Jesus for Grown-ups</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409880266822703846</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_plyi7ikXcz8/R17HGfZM7XI/AAAAAAAAAAU/PRZZtJCJbbc/S220/Fr.+David+%26+Deacon+Steve+002+(2).jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8454839645318770661.post-2596179812430164695</id><published>2007-12-06T09:56:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-12-06T09:58:24.389-07:00</updated><title type='text'>First post</title><content type='html'>Hi,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I just created this with help and will be back soon!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8454839645318770661-2596179812430164695?l=jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/feeds/2596179812430164695/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8454839645318770661&amp;postID=2596179812430164695' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/2596179812430164695'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8454839645318770661/posts/default/2596179812430164695'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jesusforgrown-ups.blogspot.com/2007/12/first-post.html' title='First post'/><author><name>Jesus for Grown-ups</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409880266822703846</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_plyi7ikXcz8/R17HGfZM7XI/AAAAAAAAAAU/PRZZtJCJbbc/S220/Fr.+David+%26+Deacon+Steve+002+(2).jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry></feed>
